I’ll be honest: of all the things that bug me about that movie, this is close to the bottom of the list. Not that it’s not bad, but everything else is so much worse
3 48yeah that's fair. the jj cliche setups -> rian destroys the cliches -> jj spends 3rd movie retconning the 2nd results in one of the worst movies i can remember. i don't think jj abrams is a great director, but the trilogy as a whole would be a lot more tolerable if he did it all
5 62Or if Colin Trevorrow did the third as planned.
Or if they had put Filoni in a Feige/Marvel type role in charge of overall plot and continuity for the whole trilogy.
3 1 45Samuel
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or have Rian do all 3 because he wipes the floor with them
5 115Thomas DickersonI would actually love to have seen how Rian handled TFA
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Thanks, I Hate ItIt hit me the other day after reading a middling review of The Alcolyte, if Johnson had directed Episode IX, we would have gotten follow-through on Broom Kid (at least, the idea that the Force belongs to everyone, if not that actual kid), and that would have set up countless interesting stories. 1/2
1 5Thanks, I Hate ItThose stories would have actually kept the larger story going forward, instead of just cannibalizing the series' past over and over. You could do small TV-scale stories about post-Rey force users, that don't have galactic consequences, and then at some point, do another movie with a big story. 2/2
1 3Thomas DickersonI mean the thing about broom kid is we don't really need a specific follow-up because that's the historical norm of the Jedi order. 10,000 Jedi Knights, virtually every single one recruited from random families who just happened to have force sensitive kids.
2 2Thomas DickersonEvery Jedi in the entire series except Luke and Rey are "broom kids".
1 2Thomas Dickersonbut yeah - more stories about random force users would be great.
2Thanks, I Hate ItWell, that's the beauty of that moment. It's Johnson reminding us that "hey, this entire story doesn't have to just be about one family in the entire wide galaxy," and then JJ comes back with "no, fuck you, it absolutely does."
2 1Thanks, I Hate ItMy theory on TLJ (which Johnson basically confirmed via Twitter like!!!) is that the mirror scene with Rey was a direct homage to '60s YA fantasy book Taran Wanderer. The hero's an orphan and there are hints he has royal parentage. He travels to find a magic mirror that will show his true self. 1/2
3 2 4Thanks, I Hate ItHe gets waylaid on his quest several times to stop and help people, and when he finally sees the mirror he sees... himself, as he is. And he realizes that that's who he is. The guy who put his own quest on hold to help other people. That's why he's the hero, not who his parents were. 2/3
1 2Thanks, I Hate ItIt's such a great message in a genre overpowered by Chosen One narratives, and it would have been a terrific central theme to add to Star Wars. (Lloyd Alexander, who wrote the book, was great at knocking down fantasy tropes only a decade after Tolkein had set the up in the first place) 3/3
1 1Thomas DickersonI mean - "normal every-day little people choosing to do the right thing are the real heroes" is almost the maximally Tolkienian take possible on epic fantasy.
1 7Thanks, I Hate ItYeah, actually, that's completely right. Although Alexander basically invents the princess saving herself, as opposed to Tolkein's "women do not exist whatsoever."
1 1Thomas Dickersonhadn't made that connection before but 100% sending this to the family group chat (who are all Rian Johnson fans and also Lloyd Alexander fans)
1Thomas Dickersonyeah, 100% agreed
feral cross raceroh 100% agree! is his standalone trilogy dead or still in the works?
1 2SamuelI’m guessing dead
1 3Thomas Dickersonsomehow they returned
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Randy PneumanI love his other stuff, so I'd agree with you except that second movie is bad on its own. He tried to throw out all of what makes Star Wars good, and then he had nothing to replace it with.
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🟠🟤 Reese's PiecesWith all due respect, it's baffling to me to see an opinion like this when LAST JEDI was the only episode of the Sequel Trilogy that felt like old STAR WARS to me.
1 2Randy PneumanNot sure why it felt like old Star Wars to you. It's very explicit about throwing everything that came before it away. It mocks the very idea of plucky individuals taking on the empire like David and Goliath. That's what Star Wars is about!
2Thomas Dickersonyou know who says "let the past die" in TLJ? THE FUCKING FASCIST VILLAIN WHO REY REJECTS
Yoda helps Rey smuggle the sacred Jedi texts out on the Falcon.
2 2🟠🟤 Reese's PiecesIt might be more accurate to say that LAST JEDI felt to me like the natural next step in evolution (in terms of themes, story, filmmaking, pacing, etc.) after the Original Trilogy.
The movie literally ended with a boy picking up a broom to use as a weapon against his enslavers.
1 1Randy Pneuman... after spending the entire movie shitting on what fans like about Star Wars. I'm glad you liked it, I guess. But I don't see it as a natural progression of the spirit of the originals when it's so openly disdainful of same.
1 2Thomas Dickersonconveniently ignoring the reply that debunks your theory I see
Thomas Dickerson@elfprince13.mumak.app· 4 Jun 2024you know who says "let the past die" in TLJ? THE FUCKING FASCIST VILLAIN WHO REY REJECTS
Yoda helps Rey smuggle the sacred Jedi texts out on the Falcon.
Randy PneumanI'd have to rewatch the movie to comment, which I don't wanna do. I don't remember it that well, but the overall impression I came away with was that "let the past die; kill it if you have to" was the ethos of the film.
Adam McMahonWhat upsets me most of all is people thinking it’s a good movie. I can never get past the opening scene