Samuel
@samuel.fm
I find the Dorsey interview fascinating because his issue with Bluesky seems to be mostly vibes-based. He wants ultra-pro-free-speech vibes, and thought a protocol-based app would produce that, whereas we've ended up in a situation where borderline unmoderated X is actually the place he wants to be
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Samuel
Bluesky - well more specifically atproto - *is* everything he wanted, but to him the vibes are off. So back to X he goes
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ændra.
Like really though, the man so badly misunderstands the audience for "Twitter-like platforms that are not themselves Twitter" it's almost a little comical.
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Olivier Simard-Casanova
In his defense (I will not, in fact, defend him), he was a truly awful CEO when he led Twitter. He had no vision, very little involvement, and the product stagnated for years. His recent slew of nonsense perfectly fits with his track record.
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iquanyin
and i think that’s fine. he’s off with those who think like he does, and we’re here with those we prefer. win-win. i’m glad jack involved himself in starting bluesky and i’m glad he’s moved on now. 🎊
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brian
His vibes are Musky. Words shouldn’t have consequences, unless he doesn’t like it.
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david.
whoa whoa whoa I will not stand for this NOSTR erasure because I want to make sure people remember it exists. to laugh at it.
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Mike Merritt
Which didn't exist even then. Maybe things were somewhat more lax and I just happened to be in a good community so we didn't have a lot of bad apples, but moderation was absolutely a thing then.
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Michael Paul 🐓
normie online communities definitely used to have more moderation than they do today. things shifted post-facebook when moderation became too hard to scale to large platforms
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Mike Merritt
I helped run this community, which was quite large for its time. No Twitter, but enough activity where a solid set of moderation policies were needed.
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Mike Merritt
Ha, not SA big, either, I think. I admined on Invisionize, one of the modding communities for Invision Board, if anyone remembers that software.
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Josh Holme 📎
From reading the interview it seems like he’s hung up on a couple things. - Mandatory BS mod layer - BS solely owns centralized identities - BS as a company I think when atproto is submitted to the standards body 3 will be solved, and more services build on BS will solve 1. I think 2 is a good point
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Jeff Johnston
why on earth would anybody need to “solve” #1 here? is it really just dumb libertarian fetishism all the way down? having a mod layer is scary; it means making concrete decisions. it’s also obviously necessary to anyone with a brain
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Josh Holme 📎
I think it’s part being able to survive without the company and part just having the choice. They go really far with composable moderation, I could see an argument where they make the base moderation a modular part like the rest of it, but I also see an argument for how it is now 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Jeff Johnston
I think you’re seeing it as much more complex than Jack does. He seems to object to moderation as an idea, in principle. Which is insane, shortsighted & plain stupid. The man’s a VC idiot & does not know what he’s talking about; the fact that he’s parroting Muskian talking points demonstrates that.
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Jeff Johnston
(And the idea that moderation is a “mistake” that Twitter made - what in hell causes a person to think such nonsense? Certainly everything Musk has done makes it clear that moderation was a good thing; and Twitter actually needed more of it.)
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Jeff Johnston
On a more complex level: it seems clear that the people who work on BS absolutely do not believe that more built services will make the mandatory mod layer obsolete. Online space must be moderated; the BS team has said so from the start.
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Lick Nand
Intolerance
lmao calling people "bootlickers" about correcting someone's mistaken hysterics Whatever it takes for you autistic PMC retards to larp as radicals I guess lol
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Dr Bluesky
Did you read the interview? He's saying right there he never left twitter, but started twitting more recently. Calling other dumbass when you can't barely read is a bold move.
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mtsw
people were mean to him when he logged on here and he got sad and then developed some ideological sounding rationalization for it. i think thats like 99% of the actual story
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Micah
"people were mean to me and this is a problem with society as a whole" is the cause of at least 50% of all long winded rants on the internet
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tweety fish
If a social network were run correctly everybody would be nice to me and I would never be sad, the billionaire’s tautology
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mtsw
similar to the thing where they find out that even with money women consider them unfuckable losers and they conclude this indicates that there is a massive sociological problem causing this
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Fnord Borgly
If you think women are vending machines for affection, you'll be just as wrong with a hundo as a fiver.
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ArrowBlenny
These guys are supposed to be capitalists, but a real capitalist would say: ‘A niche audience? Cool! Let’s use the site to sell them biologically accurate Alf dolls, truffle flavored condoms, and hot pink merkins, or whatever the hell else these weirdos will buy.’
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stellz
I mean, people can say a lot of controversial stuff on here without outright getting banned, mostly labeled, if you're the type to enjoy pvp mode social media what's a little "Intolerance" label? they don't even have to see it
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Samuel
exactly! and you totally could run a parallel AppView that ignores the account-level takedowns, but as Paul said good luck getting that on the app store haha
Samuel@samuel.fm· 9 May 2024
Bluesky - well more specifically atproto - *is* everything he wanted, but to him the vibes are off. So back to X he goes
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shreyan (wise)
I mean. Ultimately I think that would be a good thing to have. I don't really like the control app stores have at all. So jack wasn't 100% wrong. I do think Bluesky's greatest strength *is* the ability to have sensible decentralized moderation
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𝗆𝖺𝗋𝗄
and after all of that he was like "i actually really like X right now and think it's interesting that they comply with local government laws on speech". was just like ayfkm
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zen hulk
yeah, but all we really want to know is, what does jack think bitcoin prices look like in 2030?
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Thomas Fuchs
He doesn't care about free speech anything, he's a billionaire cultist who wants to topple democracy and post fascist Nazi shit; right now he's over on Twitter reposting RFK Jr. videos
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Pam Nash
I think Dorsey has lost the plot, tbh. I do wish the interviewer had asked him how far his ultra free speech goes…..would he, for instance, include child sex abuse images and discussion?
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Christopher A Gilbert
Because it's not about responsible citizenship or free speech, it's about freedom to say and think shitty things. People with a childlike notion of freedom wanting to be childish and cruel towards others. That's their idea of "freedom"
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📎𝑹𝒐𝒙𝒊𝒆 🌹💙🐾
The vibes on Bluesky are just beginning. I like it far more than X. It gets better every week. Twitter used to moderate content very well. It isn’t moderated well anymore. I question Jack’s motivation.
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Hope Dixon-Seider
Why does it boil down to these fuckerz essentially asserting that free speech must inherently include the Nazis? I mean, by the same standard, trampoline midget scat porn is also 'free speech,' but do we need it?
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Semi-Interesting Photography, etc.
The truth is that when one person can speak instantly, unfiltered to one million people, that person can do one million times more harm than if they are having a drunk chat at night with a friend. "Ultra free speech on the internet" is never, ever, by definition, going to be a good thing.
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Arterial Z
Nazis and their enablers generate a lot of profit. Fascism is as much a grift as it is an end goal
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Olivier Simard-Casanova
It’s exactly as if the most important feature users look for in a social media product is moderation. If only somebody at The Verge wrote about that.
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$Dmesh420
Oh x is moderated, it’s just moderated by right wing racists FOR right wing racists
Sturm Liouville
However X is not unmoderated or less moderated. Astonishing why these rumors are so persistent. X is a cesspit of censorship.