Samuel
very funny how one of the most impactful events in world history (crucifixion of Jesus) Pontius Pilate probably didn’t think about it for more than 5 minutes. It probably wasn’t even the biggest thing he had going on that day
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Samuel
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the historicity of there being someone called Jesus in 1st century Judea is pretty well settled
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ideogenetic
Uhhmm…it’s only settled literature. People started believing they are characters in the most illogical story ever told.
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Samuel
No, most secular historians are pretty sure he was a real guy. There was a lot of similar figures from that era, it just so happened that his following survived and outlived him
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ideogenetic
Not true. And those who do are pumping their niche (looking at you Ehrman) The literary trick of the Bible is a series of null pointers thus: ∅->"God"->"YHWH"->"Christ"->"Jesus"->Empty Tomb->null. Those last writers were loudly trolling the ancient readers for having not solved the puzzle.
JM
Sure, like there are lots of Bobs around today. But none of them are a god from a virgin birth.
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Samuel
sure but if i make up some shit about a guy I know called Bob that doesn’t mean that Bob didn’t exist. It just means Bob didn’t do those things
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JM
Yeah, there were and still are guys called Jesus or Bob. No proof one of them is a God.
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JM
Some guy named Jesus existed. So what. The Bible is bullshit. Not going to continue this meaningless conversation.
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Samuel
That’s all I’m claiming. No need to be mad, you were the one who came in here claiming he wasn’t real
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Samuel
I’m also an atheist to be clear!! But getting the historical facts wrong on purpose is stupid and not necessary
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Samuel
absolutely baffling stuff. I’m out here creating new kinds of discourses I didn’t know existed
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JM
Still saying, there's no proof. You can bring up all kinds of other "writings". No actual proof. A huge con.
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JM
Still would need proof of the "actual" Bob that you're trying to promote.
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Samuel
Tacitus? Josephus? There’s a fair number of non-Christian sources and other evidence
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Samuel
There are lots of Messianic claimants from that era - what that basically meant back then was they claimed they’d be the one to restore Judean independence. I think it’s pretty likely that the guy the bible was talking about was probably real, given that Tacitus mentions him as a Messianic claimant
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JM
The Bible is an ever-evolving book full of fiction, superstition, contradiction, and lies.
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Samuel
I’m literally talking about non-biblical sources, unless you think Tacitus wrote the bible
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JM
Lots of people wrote the Bible. Mostly to control the weak gullible fearful people.
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Samuel
Cool, not the point. There is evidence for the historicity of Jesus of Nazareth outside of the Bible - such as Flavius Josephus, a Roman-Jewish historian
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